OK, Have you guys seen the film “Stigmata” with Patricia Arquette and Gabriel Byrne? I have spoken of this film in an earlier post. In fact, it was one of the posts that very few people got to see. So I thought i’d add a little more insight because I Love this film so much. I’ve seen it 6 times and the reason I Love it is two-fold. First, it deals with my kind of subject matter. And second, because it is inspiring, in that it ignites my curiosity each time I see it. What I mean by that, is that it has sent me in pursuit of information that I would not otherwise have come in contact with.
In the movie there is a scene where two priests are discussing the existence of a missing Gospel that has been kept away from this world. It is a document that was discovered in the 1st century, in the caves where the “Dead Sea Scrolls” were discovered. It is said to be in Jesus’ own words (which is Aramaic) and was spoken to his disciples at the last supper. They were, supposedly, his instructions to his disciples on how to continue his Church after his passing. In the scene, the priests are sitting in a very large and beautiful church, and one priest asks, ” Look around. What do you see?” They both conclude that it’s a building. He continues, ” The true church of Jesus Christ is so much more, No priests, No churches…..and then he proceeds to quote the first words of the missing Gospel……….”The kingdom of God is inside you and all around you, not in the buildings of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and you shall find me. Lift a stone and I am there.” Ever since I heard those words I have been a different person. Whether or not this Gospel ever existed, and is complete movie fabrication, is irrelevant to me.
For this reason; when something touches your soul, your entire being is elevated to an extreme state of alertness. Anyone who has kissed someone, and felt the warm elation of Love in the pit of their stomach, knows exactly what I’m talking about., it can’t be explained, it just IS. And you feel all the better for just having experienced it, no matter how brief or fleeting the moment. You never forget it. It is a heightened state of awareness that is achieved completely naturally. No hallucinogens, no meditation, no sensory deprivation, just an instantaneous explosion of pure energy and joy. Now, I know that for some of you this sounds ridiculous, but I swear to you that the explosion of pure energy and joy has been happening to me throughout my entire life. I have so much more to say on this subject but right now I need to finish my thoughts about this film.
When I said that “ever since I heard those words in the film, I have been a different person,” it’s true, because what it did was to validate for me, that I was not a crazy person. It allowed me to restart my pursuit of information that was so profound in me as a youth. I realized that everything I had always thought about the church, was true. It’s a big building, where people go to give money and prayers so that they don’t have to go to hell. Like going to the grocery store. I wanted to be a priest as a child but I grew up very skeptical as I got older, because when I went to church, I would speak to people who were so full of shit, that it was like being punched in the face. Husbands and wives would be quietly fighting and cursing at their kids during the sermon. I saw a man steal money out of the collection plate. Stuff like that. It was demoralizing so I set out to find the truth for myself.
All of this came bubbling up again because of this film. There is so much more to relate (and I will) but for now I will leave you with this………..”STIGMATA” is the appearance of open sores on the hands, wrists, head, feet, an side, sometimes accompanied by lashes across the back and shoulders of a person, which may, or may not bleed continually, for LONG periods of time and never get infected. These locations, are THE locations of the wounds received by Jesus Christ just before, and on the day of, his being crucified. Perhaps this film will inspire you, maybe not. But one thing is for sure……….It’s a MUST SEE movie in my book……I am Dartanion2……..and that’s the way I see it………..cheers………t xx
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Wonderful open expression of a personal life experience where clutter of what is not true is seen and as a young person you continued on to see clearer with spiritual eyes and with your curiosity pressed on to the high calling in Christ. I too relate strongly that anything that is revealed in any persons life that strips away the superficial nonsense only opens our soul to more sincere and heart felt reality and real relationship with who and why we believe not externally in ceremony but are a le to loved the one who Loves the most of all and taught us to Love honestly as Father and Creator God does. It is possible to progress spiritually unbound but with the Spirit in us our individual spirit has found it’s true home in our hearts and express it purely in our living. We grow in this throughout life and dearly want to express that it is there. There is a song Steve Green sang called May All Who Come Behind Me Find Me Faithful. Yes we want to love in God’s way so others can find Him and be loved deeply and be blessed. The Stigmata is trying to define spiritual experience in a most unusual form but Jesus was very..very unexpected and always will be…He is very Loving and Real ! He is the the whole very intimately personal expression of God’s Perfect Love that never fails and can not be destroyed therefore indestructible ! We can not be separated from the One we love because He loved us first so our hearts would know undeniably ! We have first hand human disciples accounts and He is a spiritual reality we live by because of the spiritual exchange and expressed reality to us how much He really loves us. Life is an exploration and journey of discovering more of Him within us living and spiritually responding and sharing from our heart what He has put there. I trust Him because of His heart of Love and because he has shown compassion and forgiveness for us in all our growing when we search for more so. He can give us more of Himself and blessed are those who hunger and thirst after Him ! He signed His love letter with sacrifice and kindness and tenderness to include every soul so they can be blessed too. The beatitudes are often misunderstood but so very precious ! I hope you will have a richly rewarding future assured of the powerful spiritual legacy He vividly left us in love from His life source in Christ Jesus.He is the purest Light in any energetic positive loving form of power we will ever know from experience of amy kind and the reason for our benefit and only as much as we can handle. His spirit is the current power filled helper in this dimensional life span until we are ready and completed this part of our spiritually never ending journey of divine love set out for us. You never give a child something they can not handle so He covers us with more of Himself within us ! Wow ! That is amazing and causes us yo love Him back with all our heart. Trust as you will and be blessed. Love your ever willing heart dear Tony to reach out and share in your unique expressive way. Hugs and Father God’s kiss on both cheeks . I send you my love too ! And to each dear friend on the journey and that God placed into your life and especially your praying loving Mom 🙂 my love to her 🙂
Quite the subject Tony…haven’t seen the film Stigmata, will check out, but I’m not Catholic…I’m as Protestant as one can be…True I can’t take away the beliefs that stare my perception of Christ and the church, I can still relate with you and others on what goes on in modern churches and what went on in ancient ones as well…Quite frankly if one looks around in a church each week and get to know the people even a littte, one becomes aware that the church or the actual people (who Christ sees as His church or bride) are more than a little imperfect…I’ve been involved in organized religion all my life, going to church every Saturday for the last 25 years…I’ve had good and bad experiences with people (the church Christ sees) Christ is coming back for a prepared people, but buildings and organizations will burn in hell. Many people in ‘my’ church have a hard time with that concept, not sure how it is in other churches…You mentioned a scene in the movie Stagmatta with the two priests sitting in the church, talking about what the real church is, and one saying that it’s not a building, wow they are so accurate and it’s surprising to hear in a way such a concept coming from priests sitting in a church and making a living from the church. Don’t get me wrong, all churches have issues and politics, the Seventh Day Adventist church and organizing body definatly does, but the doctrine of the SDA church has always been that the Church is the People, the Bride of Christ spoken of in Revelation…the people of God are not to be looking at the other people in the chruch (easy to say hard to do) as examples of perfection or even inspiration…’but looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our fate..who for the joy set before Him indurath the cross despising the shame..’.Again easy to say hard to do. All I can say on that Tony is I hope that it won’t be the people in the chruch that turn me away from organized religion or the church, cause I would kick myself in the arse, I swear…I’ve never met a perfect person in my whole life, and I’ve learned to not look at anyone (not even a preacher) as a person to emulate…I respect most people, but I try not to be a follower of anyone as regards to religion…well that was a mouthfull…keeping searchin for truth Tony…that’s the only way to find it…great subject, much enjoyed your point of view
Chris.
Hey Chris, interesting that you would say that you have not gone out of your way to emulate anyone else……because it is exactly where I’m coming from…….yours is a way that suits you and I happy for you but, I find interesting that we’re really both pursuing the same goals , just walking different paths. aside from the fact that religion and spirituality are different for different people, it certainly appears that we’re all differently the same. the truth only works one way, there is a GOD and it’s up to each of us to find him in our own time and way……I think you’ll find this Movie extremely interesting and when it’s over I think we’ll some more interesting conversations ahead of us…..so glad you’re here C………you’re a light worth emulating……..tony xx
Tony, I am like Chris that I have a hard time with the institution of organized religion because it is anything but organized…at least in the sense of following Christ. He is in every river, grain of sand, mountain, nature, ane every created thing and cannot be confined in a building of imperfect hypocrites. The book of Revelation even expresses that in the end times scenario as Christ returns, the organized churches are where the antichrist rises out of with deceptions to fool, and God asks his followers to come out of the organized religious institutions lest they be destroyed too! Those are pretty strong words.
The stigmata phenomenon is fascinating. I would like to learn more about the documented cases. The movie sounds like one I would like to see.. I am so behind in my movie watching! Thanks for sharing so we can be intrigued too. 🙂
Hi Cherie, I know you’re behind in your movie watching POWDER etc. but I really think this is a good place to start…..I learned a lot about various monks and saints that have manifested the STIGMATA……what’s interesting is that they are normally very religious people have the Stigmata…….but in the movie, she’s an atheist…..but you’ll have to see the film to find out what happens…….if you want details about the monks and Saints in question…i’ll give you the info………keep smiling Cherie……smiles tony
When I was a child I always wondered why people who believe in God go to church and listen to the ministers sermon. I always found them to be very deppressing and constantly banging on about sin. I always thought that those sermons did little but frighten people into believing in something that we couldn`t see. I felt that the minister/priest/vicar of what ever religion they were, looked down on the congragation and behaved with a condescending attitude and they seemed also to be so full of their own self importance.
I don`t object to people who feel the need to go to their church, mosque or what ever, I just don`t think it is nessescary to do so, as God is everywhere. I don`t go to church and I am not a sinner by not doing so.
I pray privately to God and I know that he is listening to me, because I feel it in my soul. I have had personal proof of his love and that he is very real and I know he is not concerned with the fact that I don`t attend a church in order to comunicate with him. I also don`t own a bible and I am not ashamed to say that. I don`t need a bible to talk to God.
There are a lot of people sadly, that preach religion simply to make money from the parishioners. You see them preaching to a huge audience and asking them to donate and even pretending to be healers. That is not what Jesus would agree with for sure. I think he would be angry at the way people behave these days.
We can communicate with the Lord simply by talking to him because he is everywhere. He is guiding us throughout our lives, we just need to relax and allow him into our hearts and he will soothe your soul with his wisdom. We don`t need a paid speaker to know the word of God. We just need to be prepared to listen to our sixth sense and God will do the rest.
I love you T`
G xx
This is so good to be able to share with those who open their hearts and the clarity of what they have found to bring them out in loving freedom. My heart is comforted because some of my greatest testings in life and abuses came from this sector of formal life and my heart and faith could never play those games as I witnessed and felt betrayed by. I asked only to love the children , the hurting ones the vulnerable ones that others ignored. I reached out and was always the odd peg that seemed crazy to them. Why did they not love Jesus or God? I was shocked and weeps many years and have found God amazingly tender hearted and Jesus always there for me in visions and in Holy Spirit and visits and prophecy . Now people call me knowing I will not betray them and what is shared is verified as genuinely from a pure source. I need that life experience for this very reason and it is expanding even though they do not become friends very often but still it is beautiful none the same to give to them what I truly know is Treasures from Heaven and Father God. He is the giver and it is my joy to let Him flow through. I am so many times saddened because many turn away to return at another time because they want the love and praises and income of men and organizations. Forgiveness is so powerful from the heart of God and Jesus to forgive them and wait as for the prodigal to come home. I love to see the sweet genuineness from each dear one sharing here. You bless me so much. Love and gratitude from my heart to you dear sweet Tony for your heart to encourage and be an open conduit of His graciousness and truth that children can explore and be welcomed in all their honesty to join with each other. Loving one another is so beautiful and natural and pleases Father God’s heart and so His great love is on display as a reality to enjoy and lift each other up in encouragement and love. Treasure of treasure we are more than rocks alone crying out but we are the living chorus of praises born honestly from our heart arising unto Him ! Rejoice dear ones you are an amazing gift mutually sharing and helping each other. We were created to share this and be this 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 happy trails of ecstatic joy to one and all….peace, love and joy… Love you Tony as ever love to your dearest Mom her prayers are royally answered .
Sorry T` I forgot to mention that I have seen the film but it was a long time ago and I can`t remember it very well now, but if I get the chance to see it again I will, I promise.
I love you
G xx
oh sure, say that now….how can we believe you (lol)……don’t worry about it G….I know you’ve got a couple others on your list…….whatever the case…….just keep on glidin” girlfriend…..tony xx
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hi guys just dealing with doctors…………one of my favorite posts, which goes into some detail about my beliefs about the Church, I am reposting today………..smiles……….tony xx